some of the executives blamed, are saying, hey, we told james murdoch, james murdoch didn't understand why they paid people off, he was new at the job, he agreed to go along with it. the legal manager and the former editor of the "news of the world," two very senior executives at news international have issued aut!ñ statement say that's not true, we actually briefed him in detail on, he knew exactly what was happening. it's not clear if that's the sort of start or trend and people are concerned and say the murdochs got it all wrong and they were lying basically to parliament, then they're in big trouble. >> with all you know and your experience, you working in the community, do the murdoch statements align with what you've heard about rupert murdoch as far as being a hands-on owner? >> well, when i worked for the british papers, murdoch was very hands on. to be fair to him, his story about him taking a less in an interest in recent years, it's true, i think. he did put his son in charge over there, and i think he spends a lot less time day to day with the newspapers than he used to do